noz
April 21, 2006 09:16 pm
Hi all,
Thought I'd put together a small 'How-To' for the repair of Hydractive suspension ECU's due to failing diodes in the electrovalves. Before anyone else points it out I'll put my hand up and admit I'm no electronics engineer. If anyone reading this thinks I've made a fool of myself then please let me know which text is wrong and suggestions for corrected text. I'll gladly update the document accordingly.
Hope this helps those suffering from the type of suspension experienced in the cars of lesser mortals (owners of non-hydropneumatic cars).
All comments welcome.
Cheers
noz
jorgy9
April 21, 2006 09:59 pm
Very good manual -although, Hydractive 1 also have two hydractive spheres but only one electrovalve-.
BTW, another cause of the hydractive valve closing and making the system going to hard mode, can be too low system pressure. If the pressure regulator max pressure is lower than specifed (170+-5 bar) it is possible that the valve that actually cuts out the middle sphere (not the electrovalve) to be instantly pushed to the closed position by a capable hydraulic shock produced from a bump of the road. This has been reported by a few people. So although your electrovalve(s) might be perfectly working, you might be getting hard reactions from your car. Check the suspension's hydraulic schema to understand how this undesirable phenomenon works out.
George
noz
May 29, 2006 10:35 pm
Hi all,
Apparently the file above can't be printed. Try this one instead.
Cheers
noz
wirdy
February 07, 2007 11:47 pm
I split my Susp ECU tonight to replace the VN05N's and fit the diodes.
Ahh....it's a H5 ECU and is very different to the pictures so far posted.
Has anyone figured out where to put the diodes on the H5 board?
The VN05N's are orientated 180 degrees different to the previous versions, i.e- the heatsinks face into the centre of the board and the legs are on the extreme edge of the board. There is a square area of un-etched copper left on the board that the VN05N's are stuck to - must be some limited heatsinking.
I also have some discolouration to one of the blobs of gloop that is holding one of the devices to the board, so I guess we've had some overheating going on. The other one looks fine.
Looks like I'll be just replacing the VN05N's and putting the diodes into the wiring, unless anyone can post a piccie of the correct diode placement?
Pic 1,
Pic 2
demag
February 07, 2007 11:56 pm
Hi wirdy.
My board is different as well to the piccies. I'll be putting my diodes into the wiring loom.
wirdy
February 08, 2007 12:10 am
The really sad thing is that I've worked in electronics for the last 22 years and given the patience / time I could easily work out the circuit diagram and where to put the diodes.
But I find life is too short to do things like that these days
techmanagain
February 08, 2007 11:56 am
| QUOTE (demag @ Feb 7 2007, 22:56 PM) |
Hi wirdy.
My board is different as well to the piccies. I'll be putting my diodes into the wiring loom. |
A course that many will be following, I expect, now that Roy Mavckay has provided such a quick and easy fix for that job - just a pair of pliers needed - and 20 mins to spare to fit it. Contact Roy on roy.mackay@e-crofting.com for more info.
combwork
February 09, 2007 09:44 am
Part of the problem (for me) is that my XM is the only one I've ever driven, so my experience of how how they should feel is very limited. Having said that, this is a very interesting thread................. Jim.
wirdy
February 09, 2007 11:10 am
| QUOTE (combwork @ Feb 9 2007, 08:44 AM) |
| Part of the problem (for me) is that my XM is the only one I've ever driven, so my experience of how how they should feel is very limited. Having said that, this is a very interesting thread................. Jim. |
That has been my problem too Jim.
I have confirmed most of my reasoning now, by having the susp ECU completely removed and driving the car to work - there is no difference to the hard front suspension, however the rear is a tiny bit harder. This is all with electrovalves that were buzzing quite happily prior to removing the ECU.
I may need to look into this system pressure thing if the repaired ECU and new diodes make no difference to the ride quality.
I must get the spheres changed on my other XM, they're rock hard, only then will I have some true comparison!
demag
February 09, 2007 09:01 pm
I can only relate to previous Cits I have owned i.e. DS, CX, BX. With the suspension in good condition and all spheres doing their job. At rest with handbrake on and engine on tickover it was possible to push any corner of the car down a ridiculous amount (6-8 inches?) with very little effort at all. I have no reason to believe my XM will be any different when the suspension is sorted. I have to do the diodes and mosfets and probably replace most of the spheres as well.
Driving a Citroen with well sorted suspension on an undulating A road at 50-55mph is an almost out of world experience

. It really is like that fabled magic carpet ride. I have never experienced anything else like it. At the moment with my ecu out and commuting to work along the rutted tracks of the Black Country on fast failing spheres is like being condemned to a living hell!

I'm in total dread of seeing a strut top come leaping through the bonnet due to the excessive strain on the structure.
xmexclusive
February 10, 2007 12:15 am
Hi All
My impression is that you get quite a bit less of a "corner bounce" from the back of an estate than you do from a car. Is this in part due to the larger cylinders and higher tyre pressure?
Regards
XMexc
noz
February 10, 2007 10:52 am
Hi guys,
Could we take the discussion to the hydraulic section and leave the self help section for files and tips?
Cheers
noz
lez
March 07, 2007 11:38 am
| QUOTE (wirdy @ Feb 7 2007, 22:47 PM) |
Looks like I'll be just replacing the VN05N's and putting the diodes into the wiring, unless anyone can post a piccie of the correct diode placement? |
Between pin 5 (white striped end of diode, the cathode(K)) and any ground area of the pcb.
mackay1
September 16, 2007 09:26 am
| QUOTE |
| Has anyone figured out where to put the diodes on the H5 board? |
See photos and description (giving correct pin numbers) in the thread "Suspension Ecu?, Where?" in the Hydraulic section.
Relates to Hydractive II ECU's fitted to all XM's from RP 6383 onwards irrespective of ECU version.
Roy
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