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| QUOTE (Andmcit @ Jan 19 2009, 10:41 AM) |
6.35?  Most (if not all) of the stuff under the nearside rear should be 3.5. There are some fat plastic returns too routed alongside the metal pipes. Andrew |
and that is measuring the outside of the pipe?
Sorry for my stupitiity but I'm a citroen virgin
Jim
Ok, some success!
No point in looking at splicing the pipe as I can't get a flaring tool that will work with the 3.5 and 4.5 mm pipes (thats confirmed there are 5 pipes there mangled and 2 need replaced but they are different sizes. If you ever need to check it's the nut at the end that will tell you. It's a 8mm spanner for a 3.5 and a 9mm spanner for the 4.5)
Pleiades came to the rescue with making up the correct length and will post it over with fittings. Not cheap but as the car has now went down to the bump stops it's going no where very cheaply so I'll have to make do with what I've got
GFS said they'd call back in 10 minutes over 3 hours ago... Apparently he dosent sell much stuff for citroens he was telling me. Can't think why
But a big thanks to everyone on here. I know I'm a bit of a nuisance as I con't contribute to the site as I know nothing about big citroens other than I love them and only post when it's all went horribly wrong. Thankfully this is the first time and it's not really it's fault. We were out in terrible floods coming home from work and I think that the damage has occured then when maybe the poor thing has hit something concealed in flood water
Hope this is it on the road to recovey now
Jim
No point in looking at splicing the pipe as I can't get a flaring tool that will work with the 3.5 and 4.5 mm pipes (thats confirmed there are 5 pipes there mangled and 2 need replaced but they are different sizes. If you ever need to check it's the nut at the end that will tell you. It's a 8mm spanner for a 3.5 and a 9mm spanner for the 4.5)
Pleiades came to the rescue with making up the correct length and will post it over with fittings. Not cheap but as the car has now went down to the bump stops it's going no where very cheaply so I'll have to make do with what I've got
GFS said they'd call back in 10 minutes over 3 hours ago... Apparently he dosent sell much stuff for citroens he was telling me. Can't think why
But a big thanks to everyone on here. I know I'm a bit of a nuisance as I con't contribute to the site as I know nothing about big citroens other than I love them and only post when it's all went horribly wrong. Thankfully this is the first time and it's not really it's fault. We were out in terrible floods coming home from work and I think that the damage has occured then when maybe the poor thing has hit something concealed in flood water
Hope this is it on the road to recovey now
Jim
Hi Jim
Pleased things are underway to get it repaired, sorry the bits from Pliades will cost a bit but the car is well worth it. Your note about pipe nut sizes does not work with the Pliades fittings as they usually supply ones with larger 10mm nuts to reduce the chances of flatting the corners. If it had not been for the lack of Citroen pipe tools and connectors I would have suggested raiding a scrap yard XM or Xantia for secondhand pipe.
Do not under estimate the value of your posting, particularly the photos you added. That helped get you quick replies that were on target. Also we now get the benefit of that problem record for all to see. The plastic tray/pipe carrier under many XM's can come loose and hang down a bit. Not usually a problem until you run through deep water and rip the cover off and the pipework gets damaged. There is a message here to the rest of us about checking under the car occasionally and promptly sorting out any hanging pipework or flapping plastic covers before we drive through deep puddles or fords. Over time you could well save a few of us from the trouble and cost you are suffering.
Post again when it is all sorted to let us know what finally happened.
John
Pleased things are underway to get it repaired, sorry the bits from Pliades will cost a bit but the car is well worth it. Your note about pipe nut sizes does not work with the Pliades fittings as they usually supply ones with larger 10mm nuts to reduce the chances of flatting the corners. If it had not been for the lack of Citroen pipe tools and connectors I would have suggested raiding a scrap yard XM or Xantia for secondhand pipe.
Do not under estimate the value of your posting, particularly the photos you added. That helped get you quick replies that were on target. Also we now get the benefit of that problem record for all to see. The plastic tray/pipe carrier under many XM's can come loose and hang down a bit. Not usually a problem until you run through deep water and rip the cover off and the pipework gets damaged. There is a message here to the rest of us about checking under the car occasionally and promptly sorting out any hanging pipework or flapping plastic covers before we drive through deep puddles or fords. Over time you could well save a few of us from the trouble and cost you are suffering.
Post again when it is all sorted to let us know what finally happened.
John
Hi Jim,
I'm surprised at GSF, I buy Citroen stuff off them all the time and they're normally very accomodating. They also had rolls of the hydraulic pipe when I was in a good while back.
As I said on the phone, Plieades will sort you out, and it looks as if they have
Hope the stuff arrives soon!
Ciarán
I'm surprised at GSF, I buy Citroen stuff off them all the time and they're normally very accomodating. They also had rolls of the hydraulic pipe when I was in a good while back.
As I said on the phone, Plieades will sort you out, and it looks as if they have
Hope the stuff arrives soon!
Ciarán
Excellent Jim,
Glad to hear that you are getting sorted.
Glad to hear that you are getting sorted.
Jim, It doesn't matter that you're not a technical guru. We're not into brownie points here.
Don't get drifting off into the mist. Every single post will somehow help someone with an Xm as yours will surely do sooner or later.
Everyone is welcome here regardless of technical ability.
Don't get drifting off into the mist. Every single post will somehow help someone with an Xm as yours will surely do sooner or later.
Everyone is welcome here regardless of technical ability.
Thankyou guys for all the support, I've been really impressed with the amount of sensible ideas that have been put forward here. It's really inspired me to keep the car on the road
Which is good because....
James (the mechanic under the car in the previous photos) has given up on me... He followed the pipe to the rear of the car and said that after that it disappears into a mass of pipes above the rear axle and that he'd have to drop the axle to find it and that would either mean keep the car on the ramp till it was fixed or putting the axle back on to get the car off the ramp. One would be expensive for him and the other expensive for me.
So after a few calls to Mr Porter and then to Desi Gillespie in Portglenone I've orginsed the car to be lifted tomorrow or friday to be taken up to Desi's for him to fit about 6 inches of new pipe in as he has the flange tools and pipe there.
Really should of done that in the first place but as the car is doing 'Tory Canyon' impressions at the minute I kinda thought that moving it would be a nightmare but Desi says that he can get it up the country no probs without having to sell the house to pay for it
More later...
Jim
Which is good because....
James (the mechanic under the car in the previous photos) has given up on me... He followed the pipe to the rear of the car and said that after that it disappears into a mass of pipes above the rear axle and that he'd have to drop the axle to find it and that would either mean keep the car on the ramp till it was fixed or putting the axle back on to get the car off the ramp. One would be expensive for him and the other expensive for me.
So after a few calls to Mr Porter and then to Desi Gillespie in Portglenone I've orginsed the car to be lifted tomorrow or friday to be taken up to Desi's for him to fit about 6 inches of new pipe in as he has the flange tools and pipe there.
Really should of done that in the first place but as the car is doing 'Tory Canyon' impressions at the minute I kinda thought that moving it would be a nightmare but Desi says that he can get it up the country no probs without having to sell the house to pay for it
More later...
Jim
Jim.
To help your guys move the flat stricken Xm, you can manually prop support the car in
a position where you stand a chance of moving it without any hydraulic pressure though
you won't have brakes and the steering can't be used...
front strut - bracing stout timber onto the tab of the droplink and the wheelarch crown:
Rear axle cross tube paddle tongue of the rear trailing arm on the bump stops
- brace the paddle by sliding a block of wood at the bottom of the tube and against
the rubber cone (between where it has a rusty looking line and the cone):
It's hidden behind the rear wheelarch liner and you should do both sides to be safe.
Andrew
To help your guys move the flat stricken Xm, you can manually prop support the car in
a position where you stand a chance of moving it without any hydraulic pressure though
you won't have brakes and the steering can't be used...
front strut - bracing stout timber onto the tab of the droplink and the wheelarch crown:
Rear axle cross tube paddle tongue of the rear trailing arm on the bump stops
- brace the paddle by sliding a block of wood at the bottom of the tube and against
the rubber cone (between where it has a rusty looking line and the cone):
It's hidden behind the rear wheelarch liner and you should do both sides to be safe.
Andrew
I'll not be there when Dezi comes to lift it (he's been recommended by the citroen mafia over here as an expert) but that's a really really handy thing to know for the future.
Not of course that the car will ever be stranded again.....
Jim
Not of course that the car will ever be stranded again.....
Jim
It's a shame the Xm uses McStruts in a situation like this!
The original Cx system where I learned this dodge has a similar paddle arrangement as the back
system incorporated into the top wishbone; this can be braced for maximum ground clearance
without any hydraulic pressure needed. Great for when the car needs to be worked on safely or
moved; it can be fully steered whereas the brace on the Xm drop link tab will only permit tiny
steering movements before it loses stability allowing the car to drop.
This feature on a CX hepled the car's rescue and movement when having a problem many moons
ago where the engine let go (there's a long story to this but no time to go into it here). Basically,
on the hard shoulder of the M4 I quickly scrabbled to find some sufficiently chunky stones to
brace all the suspension up before the car sunk down onto the bumpstops so it wouldn't get it's
underside ruined on a AA hipped flat bed with the usual monkey operator. Well, that was years
ago, touch wood, I've not needed AA rescue for years now, so maybe they have the full tray flat
deck that drops flat to the floor on all their trucks now...
Andrew
The original Cx system where I learned this dodge has a similar paddle arrangement as the back
system incorporated into the top wishbone; this can be braced for maximum ground clearance
without any hydraulic pressure needed. Great for when the car needs to be worked on safely or
moved; it can be fully steered whereas the brace on the Xm drop link tab will only permit tiny
steering movements before it loses stability allowing the car to drop.
This feature on a CX hepled the car's rescue and movement when having a problem many moons
ago where the engine let go (there's a long story to this but no time to go into it here). Basically,
on the hard shoulder of the M4 I quickly scrabbled to find some sufficiently chunky stones to
brace all the suspension up before the car sunk down onto the bumpstops so it wouldn't get it's
underside ruined on a AA hipped flat bed with the usual monkey operator. Well, that was years
ago, touch wood, I've not needed AA rescue for years now, so maybe they have the full tray flat
deck that drops flat to the floor on all their trucks now...
Andrew
Going to go collect our newly fixed XM later tonight
4 new pipe sections and about 4 litres of the good green stuff later apparently Thunderbird 2 is go!
Jim
4 new pipe sections and about 4 litres of the good green stuff later apparently Thunderbird 2 is go!
Jim
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