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Andmcit
There may be some nasties lurking there even if you believe it's all fit for purpose and
an MOT pass. Remember - the tester can only check what he can see/touch and he won't
know what's lurking behind the spare wheel cradle and splash guard... ohmy.gif

I've just seen a gritting lorry doing it's thing spreading industrial strength car melting powder
EVERYWHERE blink.gif 5 minutes ago which reminds me to make this posting having been
given the right old runaround getting the 24v working properly and freshly MOT'd after it
had thrown a right strop just in time to make the timing of it's passing critical!! rolleyes.gif

Yes, OK, I had left things a little bit to the last minute but the car always fares very well with
the MOT and never pulls in any advisory's either. The day before I was going to fit a new
return pipe off the regulator that had a small weep of fluid the rear end decided to chuck the
entire contents of the high pressure circuit all over the place with no hope of getting the car
lifted or moved. It turned out to be a worst case scenario situation where the big fat feed
pipe off the rear ram to the centre sphere had let go due to rust lurking beneath a flaky
black (totally non protective) paint coating layer. sad.gif

The first problem was finding an immediate replacement which I actually managed to do
within the hour (removed off the donor car already) and getting the seized pipe nuts free
and the old broken pipe removed. It's toe curlingly scary undoing the grotty fastening off
the centre sphere/electrovalve mounting and the rear aluminium ram. I gave up any hope
of doing it properly and hacksawed the pipe off leaving the ends to be gripped by a 6 sided
impact socket.

The job the went smoothly and the car was rebuilt and on it's feet again and I thought that
was it great! No. The replacement pipe didn't have the subframe mounted collar restraining
the routing of the flexible section of the feed pipe and realising all too late, I watched in horror
as the pipe I'd just faffed about fitting was caught by the bolt of the anti roll bar mounting
on the swing arm as it sunk down to the low setting twisting the pipe and fracturing it!! sad.gif
I totally missed this and hadn't realised just how close the tolerance of the pipe is to the
arm and couldn't believe it after checking several other nearby Xm's - it's damned close!!

fuzzy on the brink of dusk cameraphone pic of the old pipe and the first replacement:
user posted image

Paul came to my immediate rescue with another pipe and this one came with the collar
- wahay!! Thing is, it took me 5 hours to get the damned thing to fit; I could've sworn at
one point that the pipe was off a totally different car!!

Persistence (desperation!?) finally paid off and won in the end with the new pipe fitted.
Whilst spending so much time up close and personal under the rump of the car it dawned
on me that there was some very iffy flaking of underseal on the rear boot floor cross box
section, corresponding opposite ram feed pipe and even bits of the subframe. sad.gif

I'm glad to say the rear underside has now had a makeover and at the very least won't
disintegrate before next spring where a more thorough effort will be made to keep the 24v'er
around for another 15 years. I've left the spare wheel cradle off as it had almost dissolved
anyway and plan to jetwash everything at regular intervals over the winter months so expect
to have a puncture next Tuesday morning in the middle of a blizzard with no spare or jack...

Well, knowing sod's law, I may carry a spare wheel in the boot with my 3.5tonne trolleyjack!

Check out your car's rear underbelly, especially the feed hydraulic pipes - IIRC correctly,
the one I needed was going to be an eye watering price in excess of £100+ from Citroen.

A big thumbs up to Paul for helping me in my hour of desperation!!

Andrew
Citroenmad
Ah the Salt, i swear its worse than having snow on the road! They seem to put it on the road so think its actually laid deep on the tarmac. Not to mention the mounds of salt at every junction mad.gif

Having to pass one on a dual carrigeway is another matter ... Do you go fast past it and get past sooner but risk the salt hitting the paintwork harder, or go slowly past it having more salt hit it but at a slower rate blink.gif

Annoying about the pipe, having to do it twice too, still, very little on an Xm is simple! laugh.gif

Spare wheel holders seem to have a habbit of dissolving, mine is looking a little weak, although it still does its job well. I dont keep the jack in the wheel though, its in the boot, on the right hand side in that little pocket thing. When i had the spheres done a month or so ago i checked all around under the boot floor, its actually in great condition. So no worries there.

I do need to take off the covers running down the sides of the car and check the pipes in there. Aparently thats a common place for it to build up dirt and corrode the pipes. So thats a job i need to do, along with checking the rest of the pipework. Oh yes, and the fuel pipes wacko.gif

After a trip to the last CCC meeting last weekend the Xms had a thourgh clean this week, washing down all the underside, wash and polish of the body and a good hoover its now resting while the salt continues. So it may well be off the road until next year now, ill have to see if we have any salt free days to use it wink.gif
robertxmb
I often wondered if the fat pipes with flex HP hose sections could be made up cheaply by an hydraulic specialist that makes up replacement pipes for diggers, farm machinery and the like. Anyone know an approachable one to find out?
Are the pipe ends formed as per the fine pipes or flared like ordinary brake pipes?
Robert.
DoubleChevron
Why do you crazy fools pour salt all over the roads ?? It's best use is the dinner plate you know ! You should see the rust I've just found in the front floors of my CX 'cos it lived in the UK for a few years when it was younger sad.gif

Just to prove how insane I am, the Big BX here is a UK import too. I have noticed it's spare wheel holder is covered is surface rust and flaky paint too !

seeya,
Shane L.
robertxmb
QUOTE (DoubleChevron @ Dec 1 2008, 04:47 AM)
It's best use is the dinner plate you know ! 




Not too good for us there either by all accounts mellow.gif


Robert
xmexclusive
Hi Shane

Its not just the cars either we have given ourselves major problems with the salt attacking steel and concrete of bridges under our roads. Another symptom of our cheapest first cost society, to hell with who pays later or how much. Only our politicians profess to worry about the future. They tell us it is our future they are looking after. Still over the years they do seem to do better than us. I do sometimes wonder why.

John
jorgy9

Hi

Is there any alternative to salt???

cheers
G
peterh
Other than global warming, there is nothing I can think of.
xmexclusive
Hi George

Yes there are non corrosive de-icers but not at the very low first cost of rock salt. Those who decide what to use do not have to fund the structural repairs let alone the vehicle corrosion costs. Add to that as far as the damaged structures are concerned changing now will not save much money for perhaps 25 years while the salt damage works through the system. The ever continuing viaduct repair work on the M6 through Birmingham is one example of a concrete structure undergoing salt damage repairs. No one gets charged for the lane closures either. A bit of joined up accounting is needed you might think but join it all up together and all those with damaged property might well be able to sue for the damage. All that would do is give more money to lawyers and insurance companies. Just remember that common sense does not work in a democracy as not enough people will ever vote for it and of course you cannot possibly want to loose the freedoms that a democracy gives you.

John
steelcityuk
Hi All,

This link shows the underside of the White 2.1 I had, was a S reg too!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7328220@N02/1...57601606596399/

Any car I buy now one of the first jobs I do is to clean and waxoyl the whole of the underside. I know there's better products but waxoyl is cheap and easy to get hold of.

Steve.
DoubleChevron
Well this is what that damn salt did to my poor CX sad.gif

http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64816
Jan-hendrik
QUOTE (DoubleChevron @ Dec 1 2008, 04:47 AM)
Why do you crazy fools pour salt all over the roads ?? It's best use is the dinner plate you know ! You should see the rust I've just found in the front floors of my CX 'cos it lived in the UK for a few years when it was younger sad.gif

Just to prove how insane I am, the Big BX here is a UK import too. I have noticed it's spare wheel holder is covered is surface rust and flaky paint too !

seeya,
Shane L.

There are better places to buy well preserved RHD Citroens. Like Japan where the use of sodium on the roads is kept to a minimum (we use tire chains in the mountains) and in many localities not used at all tongue.gif
kenhall1202
QUOTE
Well this is what that damn salt did to my poor CX


That is exactly the reason why I sold my last CX before the advancing rust made the car near worthless. The XM bodyshell is a lot better (but not perfectly) protected against the ravages of UK salt induced rust. On my XM the spare wheel carrier 'tinware' corroded badly so I removed the remains with an angle grinder, welded on some additional support rods and now it is a 'skeleton' spare wheel carrier. It's a pity Citroen didn't make the original from plastic like they do with fuel tanks.

Ken
Jan-hendrik
Blaming salt on the UK or wherever roads doesn't cut it really. It's more about infrequent and proper inspections and maintenance, me thinks tongue.gif
kenhall1202
Perfectly true, but as most XM owners on this forum have not had the luxury of a car owned from new, they will not have had any control over the cars maintenance in it's early years. Once rust has started due to salt and moisture getting into body seams + nooks and crannies it is difficult (short of derusting and painting) to halt its slow progress even with frequent underbody washing and Waxoyling.

Ken
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