Full Version Unmistakeably German
I'm not sure about that... I get the joke but I don't think I like it!
Anyway, I like French cars for what they are... it would be boring if they became exactly like German ones.
Anyway, I like French cars for what they are... it would be boring if they became exactly like German ones.
Does look like a case of 'if you can't beat 'em, join them...'
Even though every journo says the Mondeo is a fab car, they won't actually sell ANY
as it doesn't have that naff round propeller badge for Self Indulgent Weeners with
too much money!
Probably the same here too with the C5 despite it being a better car!
Andrew
Even though every journo says the Mondeo is a fab car, they won't actually sell ANY
as it doesn't have that naff round propeller badge for Self Indulgent Weeners with
too much money!
Probably the same here too with the C5 despite it being a better car!Andrew
Hi all
Isnt that a mk3 c5 then? that now looks (as they say) german?!?!? so whats the point in getting a citroen if it looks like a merc????
Isnt that a mk3 c5 then? that now looks (as they say) german?!?!? so whats the point in getting a citroen if it looks like a merc????
I thought it was bad enough that they had to make the car look German, let alone run that ad campaign!
Whatever next.
I hope that the conventionally "sprung" C5 isn't popular, and that they decide to forget that silly idea, and only sell them with the proper hydractive suspension that it is meant to have.
Whatever next.
I hope that the conventionally "sprung" C5 isn't popular, and that they decide to forget that silly idea, and only sell them with the proper hydractive suspension that it is meant to have.
Godforbid that maybe to appeal to those in the audience who like hard uncomfortable
uncompromising and unyielding bland germanic cars Citroen will have hideous hard
seats and ride to get the full effect...
Hope not as I quite like the newer C5 - whilst I accept it didn't exactly have a hard
act to follow it's got lot's of C6 and C4 there which I don't object too either.
Andrew
uncompromising and unyielding bland germanic cars Citroen will have hideous hard
seats and ride to get the full effect...
Hope not as I quite like the newer C5 - whilst I accept it didn't exactly have a hard
act to follow it's got lot's of C6 and C4 there which I don't object too either.
Andrew
From the piocs in Auto Express last week, I think the new C5 is a cracking looking car.
I share your misgivings about the sprung version to 'keep fleet buyers happy' - thin-end-of-the-wegde and all that.
I share your misgivings about the sprung version to 'keep fleet buyers happy' - thin-end-of-the-wegde and all that.
I say remind me to buy another XM when I can afford it:-) My brother is an artist, designer and architect and he says the XM and Xanth (which is what he drives) are the last of the classic Citroen design. I tend to agree. Something about the curves and angles.
I'm quite pissed off about the new C5 having a steel springs option actually. If you remove the one thing that makes it distinctively Citroen, what else is left?
Why buy a Citroen Mondeo, when Ford make a perfectly good (probably better) one?
Its annoying to see the hydraulic systems be steadily eroded with each new generation now. With the first C5s we went to having a seperate braking system, and a servo, an PAS pump FFS! Whats that all about?
Now it seems they're going one step further, and offering an option with it removed altogether!
I'm afraid, that if I'm going back to steel springs, it certainly won't be in a Citroen.
Regarding this advert, its quite humorous, but it does show that Citroen have abandoned individuality and distinctivness, to pander to the wants of harsh, bland German car loving Joe Public. Really who can blame them though, they are after all, a business who have to make money, and have to cater for market forces. A sad fact really.
I suspect the new C5 will sell by the bucketload if it has good reliability. Who knows, it may even build the brand up as a force to be reckoned with, and give the Germans a run for their money, but I think classic Citroens as we know them (besides the C6), are dead.
I was talking to Julian Marsh who owned that black XM TCT which was advertised on here. He is a Citroen fanatic, and I was very surprised when he told me he wasn't replacing the XM with a C6, even though I knew he had had one for a weekend, and reviewed it for his website etc.
The reason he gave "I don't like it, it feels like a French car trying to be German".
Now I wouldn't turn my nose up at a C6, nor would many here I suspect, but still, he does have a point.
Ciarán
Why buy a Citroen Mondeo, when Ford make a perfectly good (probably better) one?
Its annoying to see the hydraulic systems be steadily eroded with each new generation now. With the first C5s we went to having a seperate braking system, and a servo, an PAS pump FFS! Whats that all about?
Now it seems they're going one step further, and offering an option with it removed altogether!
I'm afraid, that if I'm going back to steel springs, it certainly won't be in a Citroen.
Regarding this advert, its quite humorous, but it does show that Citroen have abandoned individuality and distinctivness, to pander to the wants of harsh, bland German car loving Joe Public. Really who can blame them though, they are after all, a business who have to make money, and have to cater for market forces. A sad fact really.
I suspect the new C5 will sell by the bucketload if it has good reliability. Who knows, it may even build the brand up as a force to be reckoned with, and give the Germans a run for their money, but I think classic Citroens as we know them (besides the C6), are dead.
I was talking to Julian Marsh who owned that black XM TCT which was advertised on here. He is a Citroen fanatic, and I was very surprised when he told me he wasn't replacing the XM with a C6, even though I knew he had had one for a weekend, and reviewed it for his website etc.
The reason he gave "I don't like it, it feels like a French car trying to be German".
Now I wouldn't turn my nose up at a C6, nor would many here I suspect, but still, he does have a point.
Ciarán
Have they taken the suspension off altogether then? 
| QUOTE (Peter.N. @ Mar 3 2008, 11:35 AM) |
| Have they taken the suspension off altogether then? |
The solid grantie shocks are an extra cost option, along with seats crafted from the finest chipboard, personalised licence plate, red light avoidance system, lane departure headlights and horn system, and tailgating enabled cruise control.
Higher spec models even come with an electric 'V sign on a stick' which raises at higher speeds.
Ciarán
The REAL proper Citroen suspension option will only be available on the VSX/Exclusive.
I guess what the wet behind their ears Citroen marketing boys would call the sad old
Citroen weirdo option...
The design doesn't include indicators anymore with little (normally hidden) LED's flashing
orange only when the car is double parked on double yellows...
Andrew
I guess what the wet behind their ears Citroen marketing boys would call the sad old
Citroen weirdo option...
The design doesn't include indicators anymore with little (normally hidden) LED's flashing
orange only when the car is double parked on double yellows...
Andrew
| QUOTE (Ciaran @ Mar 3 2008, 11:30 AM) |
| With the first C5s we went to having a seperate braking system, and a servo, an PAS pump FFS! |
The disconnection of the braking from the main hydraulic system was actually forced on Citroen, the setup became automatically illegal under a EU law that came about in the late 90's -it was told to be unsafe as it's not a "double-circuit" system-. What a shame, especially as in the last years it's been proved that drivers press the brake pedal all too few at the beginning of an accident avoidance effort, and manufacturers even went on to add these BAS systems to improve this situation...When the traditional Cit braking is known for coming extra-hard *immediately* with the slightest solicitation...precisely avoiding such situations...but "the press" had never liked this "weird" response
Don't know about the steering but, objectively, I think there's not much in favor of a hydraulically assisted steering unless for the potential pure power of it -which enabled the first DIRAVIs (SM) to have such a low gearing resulting into so few turns from side to side (2, I think?). But even this effect was gradually softened in the CX and even further in the XM, as "the press"
didn't speak favorably of it... Otherwise, I believe you could nowadays perfectly create a DIRAVI-effect steering with an electric motor. Well, almost, because you wouldn't omit the vibrations from the wheels passing to the steering wheel -which the Diravi escapes as the steering column is in 2 pieces wich are not mechanically connected, only hydraulically!-.cheers
G
ps. Did u know some Maserati Boras & Meraks used the hydraulics to adjust their lights (up/down) and the...seats (forward/backward) !!! Bit of an hydraulic extravaganza really...
Even Cit realised and they backed off!
Why do they keep going on about wonderfull german ride quality? It's RUBBISH! can't say the ride is any german car has ever impressed me in the way that of a Jag or Big citroen has (but I did like my W123 mercs, the BMWs were just junk). The germans might 'feel' connected to the road, but quiet frankly why do I want to know about every pothole or cat's eye I run over? I don't I just want a car that goes where I point it with a minimum of intrusion from the world outside. Yes I do apretiate it's also desirable to have a car that for the most part goes where you point it, but then my XM seems to do that just fine, so did my Jags.
And even my old rovers.. and you know what happend the last time the big rovers and BMW's clashed on the racetracks of eurpoe? England 1 Germany 0! (SD1 vs 635CSL)
Stewart
And even my old rovers.. and you know what happend the last time the big rovers and BMW's clashed on the racetracks of eurpoe? England 1 Germany 0! (SD1 vs 635CSL)
Stewart
Hi Stewart
I think it depends on the reason you drive. German's apparantly do it for sport, I do it for neccesity and pleasure. I am sure most people don't want to corner at 90 mph but would rather have a comfortable ride. The current craze for large wheels and low profile tyres only goes to make matters worse and people do complain about the ride of modern cars. I did a trip to Scotland a couple of weeks ago with the XM stuck in 'hard' mode, and it still rode better than the average German car!
Peter.N.
I think it depends on the reason you drive. German's apparantly do it for sport, I do it for neccesity and pleasure. I am sure most people don't want to corner at 90 mph but would rather have a comfortable ride. The current craze for large wheels and low profile tyres only goes to make matters worse and people do complain about the ride of modern cars. I did a trip to Scotland a couple of weeks ago with the XM stuck in 'hard' mode, and it still rode better than the average German car!
Peter.N.
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