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carliterature
Hi all

Just joined this forum (already seen many good tips) and wanted to ask opinions from the great and good.

I've bought an XM from an XM specialist (WHM near Diss - are they okay from anyone who's had dealings?) and will be picking up on Saturday. It's a rarer model as far as I can tell - Exclusive trim but with 2.0 CT and manual box. Mileage is a shade over 90k.

Bodywise it looks straight (just the odd tiny dint/impression on a couple of panels but no broken paint). The interior looks very straight - leather/pedals/etc not worn excessively. Under bonnet looks very clean and shiny (may have been steamed I suppose).

Anyway, there's no documented service history with it but the specialist assures me it was serviced as required by its previous company owner. He also suggests this could be traced by the time I pick it up (why it's not been done already I don't know, however). He did say all the bits that would have worn had been replaced by proper Citroen bits. He's also checked hydraulics, fitted new belts (including cambelt) and regassed/checked the aircon. He says it's one of the best they'd had through with a petrol engine.

Only a small deposit's been handed over so far but I'm extremely keen on the car and do intend to purchase at the coming weekend. I know an XM's a leap into the unknown but is it a little mad with no service history - even though the car appears to be 'honest'. The guy was happy for me to test it alone so I guess he must have been happy it wouldn't break on me whilst out..!

Assuming I do buy it (I'll need a hell of a lot of persuasion if I shouldn't), the only interior fault I could find is that the left side of the driver info display didn't appear to work. I'm unsure what it's supposed to show so didn't know if it only flicked up if a door was open or such like. The right side DID work (although a little faint - but the sun was very bright) and the trip computer DID function. Should the left side show something all the time? Can it be replaced? Looks like it'd be a bugger to get out..? By the way, as part of my belief the car IS 'honest' all the electrics worked fine - I checked EVERYTHING on the dash and around the car twice over without a failure.

FINALLY, I'm planning on getting one of the VDO CD changers for it. I know in the estates they go in the boot panel but where in the hatch? Under the passenger seat? Is there enough room with the seat motors? Does the Philips stereo come out easily and is it a job and novice (i.e. muggins here) could perform without ending up dismantling the interior totally?

Thanks in advance for any help.

carliterature
carliterature
Forgot to mention, the remote locking plipper doesn't appear to work although all's fine using the locking with the key. The specialist suggests it'll just be the battery in the key. Is the key battery going west more common than the receiver packing up? I know it's a shot in the dark so just a general 'idea' would be great.

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mebedforduk
Hi & Well done

Ill try and give a few pointers

WHM - The most, by far into the distance, expensive XM dealer in the land. Saying that exploit this and ask for a no quibble warrenty after all you will be paying a fair few bucks

2.0CT - good
Man Box - Never had a petrol die, had a derv go at 150K but rare. Should outlast the car

Body etc - check front strut tops, they should have nice looking smooth rubber over the domes. Cracked, flaky etc can lead to lots of £££ later. Although Series 2 cars only seem to get bad at 10 years ish

Service history lack of. Shame, try and suck some LHM (syringe) out of the LHM tank, should be bright bright green. If black, dirty gungy etc be abit wary. at 90K it should have had at least one change in its life.

RH display - dead bulbs

LH display yep should do little singing dancing routine and show door open that sort of thing plus radio info. They always have lines missing and beep silly messages when things are wrong. I suspect that there is a re occuring fault and its been disconnected, check that your ABS light comes on on the dash, flickers and goes off. A usual dodge is an ABS sensor failure (£75) which leaves the ABS light on plus dot matrix warning messages. This fails the MOT, pull the ABS bulb and disconnect the Matrix and the car slides through past a non too sharp MOT man. It could just be an iffy silly thing like BOOT LID OPEN that will make it beep every two seconds and leads you to disconnect it and smash living hell out of it with a hammer.

CD Changer - Dont get the VDO, it wont talk to the radio. Get a Philips RC 0(zero)26 with large rectangle plug. Fit under frame of passenger seat or leave loose.
easy to do, radio comes out easy and run the cable behind central console.
If you can come near Ipswich I will do this for you one W/E FOC. I may have a changer for sale later in the summer

Plip - could be battery, but Im sure adealer would have tried this already. suspect dry dead joint inside plipper - Other guys have sorted this before

Happy XM ing - you will be hooked now on my fifth

Mark
Peter.N.
I have had four XMs but all diesels so cant help a lot with the engine side. They are all prone to electrical faults, mostly minor ones, the Mk11s, which I suspect yours is, are better. If only half the display is lit you probably have a bulb gone but sections of the display tend to drop out anyway, in fact you very rarely see a fully functional one. The bulbs in this display only are soldered to the holders but you can replace them with a 'push in' holder from a scrap instrument panel. According to the Haynes manual, you have to remove the steering wheel, air bag etc to get the front panel off, but you dont, if you lower the steering to its lowest position you can get to the screws

The remote locking could be the 'plipper' but it could equally well be the reciever, which is located under the glove box (on a Mk11), your cheapest option would be to buy a reciever and matching plipper from a scrap car. Although having said that, if you are paying good money for the car I would insist that they repair it as a new plipper from Citroen is about £80:00 and a reciever a couple of hundred.

Check the prices on e-bay and on the Auto trader website and if you are paying much over the top, insist that they put all the problems right. I am sure you will be pleased with an XM, I will continue to run the for as long as I can get a decent one although I favour the 2.1 diesel for economy and the fact that they are a lot easier to work on than the 2.5td!

Peter.N.
carliterature
Hi both so far, thanks for getting back to me.

Right, price wise, I think the car's about a couple of hundred stronger than what Parker's suggests but I know from experience of using it when buying my wife's Galaxy last year that Parker's prices can be way off beam.

Hopefully, I've attached a picture of the under bonnet - where are these domes that shouldn't be flaky or split? Are they the green spheres or the black bits they join onto? Hopefully the picture's clear enough for any major abnormalities to be spotted. I can PM a bigger one if it would help(?).

The pale lighting of the right hand side was not so bad I couldn't read it so I'll live with that for now. Okay, the left side LCD - is it better to leave it then or is a replacement a fairly okay to do DIY job, lowering the wheel to get at the screws? Can these LCD modules be purchased new still?

Right, back to WHM - guess I've not had brain totally engaged (hey, I've deposited on an XM so that's clear anyway) as I totally forgot to ask about warranty. However, I'm more concerned about the plipper. I'll call them shortly and request it be sorted out - that'll give me an indication as to whether it is the battery depending upon whether they baulk at the suggestion.

What's the general feeling about the XM Centre down in Oxfordshire - a better bet or not? I'd be prepared to lose £50 on a deposit rather than buy a car which will cost considerably more... XM Centre has a nice sounding V6 Exclusive on a 99 plate at £4K but my mind's on a price lower than that.
carliterature
Plipper update. Spoke to the chap at WHM and explained that I'd read on the net about the plipper potentially being a pricey thing to fix if the receiver had packed up too. Anyway, he says he'll sort it because he's "confident it's just the battery in they key fob". I'll call Friday (day before collection) and check it's been done. Also asked about the left side LCD display. He tells me they're still available new and are "easy enough to fit". Also suggested I'd be able to get a working scrap one from a place in Ipswich although he didn't know name or exact location - this ring a bell with anyone?

Cheers again

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rosspa
Regarding the picture, The front strut tops are the rubber portions below/under the semi-sphearical metal ring under the green suspension sphears/bulbs. You should check these carefully for craking of flaking.
As for the left-hand message display, I made enqiries about replacing mine -- £250 odd from Citroen!! - no thanks!! I've lived without mine fo some time now. Make sure that you check the front & rear carpets carefully for signs of dampness - can meen the heater matrix is on the way out. Also, check the spare wheel cradle for rust.
I am on my 4th XM now and I love them, but they can also be a fair bit of trouble. My advice would be don't expect perfection and be prepared to live with some of the niggles. You don't need to pay alot of money for a good one. In my experience the service history means very little. The things that are likely to go wrong, will go wrong, service history or not.

Paul
mebedforduk
Ipswich - Hmmm

I live in Ipswich.

There are about 4 yards around here, none I repeat none ever ever have XMs. Two of my old ones have gone this way and they went straight into the baked bean machine on arrival.

Available new yes - arm and leg price if I recall. Series 1s will not work. But easy enough to fit.

There are only about 5 or 6 XMs running in and around Ipswich and I have 2 of them. If someone is stockpiling parts I would be interested.

As a thought, Ive broken an XM on ebay in the past and I believe I may have sold some bits to WHM. Maybe this is where they are coming from

carliterature
Regarding the picture, The front strut tops are the rubber portions below/under the semi-sphearical metal ring under the green suspension sphears/bulbs. You should check these carefully for craking of flaking.

Oh, I see the bits you mean. I'm 99% sure they're fine as I did have a good look and feel around the spheres and joints about them to feel for leaks and other such gunge. I don't remember thinking anything looked split or flaky.
carliterature
QUOTE (mebedforduk @ May 23 2005, 13:27 PM)
Ipswich - Hmmm

I live in Ipswich.

There are about 4 yards around here, none I repeat none ever ever have XMs. Two of my old ones have gone this way and they went straight into the baked bean machine on arrival.

Available new yes - arm and leg price if I recall. Series 1s will not work. But easy enough to fit.

There are only about 5 or 6 XMs running in and around Ipswich and I have 2 of them. If someone is stockpiling parts I would be interested.

As a thought, Ive broken an XM on ebay in the past and I believe I may have sold some bits to WHM. Maybe this is where they are coming from

As a thought, Ive broken an XM on ebay in the past and I believe I may have sold some bits to WHM. Maybe this is where they are coming from

Haha - that's funny then! biggrin.gif

By the way, with regards to the CD changer, is any of those Philips RC026s okay as long as the leads okay? The didn't supply different leads for different cars for instance did they? Might very well take you up on the offer of fitment - but I can't let you do it FOC. Maybe some sort of gift if you won't take cash?

Cheers

carliterature
mebedforduk
CD Leads

7 different types / combinations

As long as you end up with a rectangle plug either black or red 30mm by 10mm ish you will be fine. If they have a small blue square end you also need a 6inch adapter wither has two red rectangle plugs either end. These can be a sod to come by as only used for Cits and a few Rovers, most people sling them as they are not needed. Give me a shout off list if you need any more info.

Fitting yes FOC. I'll supply the coffee and kettle if you make it.

Where do you live?
Peter.N.
I wouldn't bother getting a secondhand display, its likely to be as bad or worse than yours, I have only had one that worked properly and that was on a 3 year old car! The problem on these displays is the contacts on the edge of the glass panel, dont try and take it to pieces but if you can increase the pressure on the rubber surround at the edges you may be able to improve it, or it may just be that one lamp has gone.

If anyone is breaking a Mk2, I am looking for a front grill.

Peter.N.
genius149
Shouldn't the battery have a nice protective cover or is that peculiar to my car??

An incomplete car helps with the haggling! cool.gif
Peter.N.
None of mine have.
carliterature
Back now after a week or so of being quiet - I didn't get the one I'd initially intended to.

I'm now the proud owner of a 99T 3.0 V6 24v Exclusive - totally loaded (has the optional (albeit free) metallic paint and electric sunroof). It appears the expensive and common jobs have already been done so I'm looking forward to a good few years of XM ownership. Ended up purchasing from Paul Johnson following a scouring of this site (and many others) and seeing his name (and many plaudits) time after time. Can't fault his service (or car) at all. Fantastic start and long may it continue.

Just about to go out again in it... Can't get enough!
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