Well just like to know !!!
Is it that everyone has Diesel Xm`s on here or is the petrol Xm a lot more reliable than the diesel ??
Come on you lot with the petrol one`s you must have the same trouble as everyone else !!!
I would bet may have a lot more but dont want to say as every one I see in scrappy is a petrol
Dont suffer in silence let us all know your problems your not alone!!!
Full Version Petrol Xm ?
ah..mmm... that might be my fault. Since I've got two TD's it kind of makes my posts biased towards diesel.
Come on all you petrol owners, how's about letting us know just how unreliable your models are.
cheers
noz
Come on all you petrol owners, how's about letting us know just how unreliable your models are.
cheers
noz
Totally unreliable.
We talk about XMs...
We talk about XMs...
Yup, its time us gas-heads stood up to be counted. How many petrol XMs on this forum?
Mine is a '95 2.016v estate which has performed superbly since we bought it in 2001. It had a few initial problems (like no front brakes!) but now it goes extremely well - done 85k miles and the engine sounds good for another 100k. The body has been in the wars a bit but the car is so roomy, brisk, comfortable - and economical (I can get 40mpg at 70 mph on long runs).
One small problem you might be able to help me with: the central locking/alarm is presently going berserk - locks/unlocks, flashing lights etc. Where do I start looking?
wendham
Mine is a '95 2.016v estate which has performed superbly since we bought it in 2001. It had a few initial problems (like no front brakes!) but now it goes extremely well - done 85k miles and the engine sounds good for another 100k. The body has been in the wars a bit but the car is so roomy, brisk, comfortable - and economical (I can get 40mpg at 70 mph on long runs).
One small problem you might be able to help me with: the central locking/alarm is presently going berserk - locks/unlocks, flashing lights etc. Where do I start looking?
wendham
I've got a 3 liter V6.24 from 1991, vert vega with black leather interior.
107.000 kilometers. Various problems with ground connections (now solved) and minor oil leak from the upper part of the engine (under ACAV system).
But, as we know, there is no other car like the Xm.
Ila
107.000 kilometers. Various problems with ground connections (now solved) and minor oil leak from the upper part of the engine (under ACAV system).
But, as we know, there is no other car like the Xm.
Ila
OK, that's 2: what about the rest?
Wendham
Wendham
I bought a petrol XM, a 1994 2.0 injection, about three weeks ago. Had been looking specifically for an injected XM, a '91 or even a '92 for some time, but was happily surprised to find a '94, imported from the Netherlands, within the projected budget. A truly wonderful machine so far.
Unlike Ila's XM, no electrical problems. However, there is this sound when the engine warms up, sort of like a clatter - not unlike the typical clatter a diesel engine does. Someone told me it could be the crankshaft - if so, could be costly to repair and would explain the relatively low purchase cost. A mechanic told me it seems to run fine so no way, it can't be the engine, the sound has to do with the car's hydraulics and thank you but no, I don't work on Citroens...
Will let you know as I learn more. Feel free to send me your wild guesses...!
Mauricio
Unlike Ila's XM, no electrical problems. However, there is this sound when the engine warms up, sort of like a clatter - not unlike the typical clatter a diesel engine does. Someone told me it could be the crankshaft - if so, could be costly to repair and would explain the relatively low purchase cost. A mechanic told me it seems to run fine so no way, it can't be the engine, the sound has to do with the car's hydraulics and thank you but no, I don't work on Citroens...
Will let you know as I learn more. Feel free to send me your wild guesses...!
Mauricio
Mauricio
Could do with some more info about the clatter to give us some sort of idea!!!!!!
It could be a number of thing so if you could tell us all a bit more info mabe we can help with a bit of luck
I thought there must be more of you petrol guy`s with problems
Make`s us Diesel owners feel a lot better it`s not just us with the problem`s
Maybe someone has nicked your engine in the middle of the night and give you there old diesel instead as not many petrol posters on here
Could do with some more info about the clatter to give us some sort of idea!!!!!!
It could be a number of thing so if you could tell us all a bit more info mabe we can help with a bit of luck
I thought there must be more of you petrol guy`s with problems
Make`s us Diesel owners feel a lot better it`s not just us with the problem`s
Maybe someone has nicked your engine in the middle of the night and give you there old diesel instead
as not many petrol posters on here
Mauricio. your clatter on start-up could be anything. Is it still there *after* the engine has warmed up? does the car start well from cold? is the noise there as you run along or only when it is standing? Please give us more information ...
Wendham
Wendham
You may find it funny, but actually I did pop up the hood again when I picked up the XM from the sales lot to check if the car had had an engine swap and was now a diesel...!
I was hoping for someone to tell me, "nah, all injected XM petrols sound the same", but no such luck...!
The noise is rarely there when the car is cold. Normally, the clatter becomes audible after, say, a 10 to 15 minute warm up, whether at idle or while in movement, and it becomes faster (and louder) as engine rpms increase - that's why my first thought was about an engine problem. If you ease on the gas pedal, the clatter decreases and if you shift into a higher gear, it also decreases - in both cases, it may even totally disappear. It will reappear when you shift downshift to 3rd or 2nd gear.
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I was hoping for someone to tell me, "nah, all injected XM petrols sound the same", but no such luck...!
The noise is rarely there when the car is cold. Normally, the clatter becomes audible after, say, a 10 to 15 minute warm up, whether at idle or while in movement, and it becomes faster (and louder) as engine rpms increase - that's why my first thought was about an engine problem. If you ease on the gas pedal, the clatter decreases and if you shift into a higher gear, it also decreases - in both cases, it may even totally disappear. It will reappear when you shift downshift to 3rd or 2nd gear.
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maubrenes,
A very important part of the diagnosis is the frequency of the clatter in relation to the engine rpm. eg
A clatter exactly the same frequency as the engine rpm
A clatter 4 times the engine rpm
A clatter 2 times the engine rpm
A clatter 1/2 times the engine rpm
Each different frequency points to different problems.
In no particular order:
Piston slap (piston worn down to be slack inside the cylinder)
Tappets (usually hydraulic but not always)
Valves
Big Ends (the shell bearings on the large end of the conrods)
Cylinder head gasket
A bit more accurate info would lead to a resonably acurate diagnosis.
Cheers
noz
A very important part of the diagnosis is the frequency of the clatter in relation to the engine rpm. eg
A clatter exactly the same frequency as the engine rpm
A clatter 4 times the engine rpm
A clatter 2 times the engine rpm
A clatter 1/2 times the engine rpm
Each different frequency points to different problems.
In no particular order:
Piston slap (piston worn down to be slack inside the cylinder)
Tappets (usually hydraulic but not always)
Valves
Big Ends (the shell bearings on the large end of the conrods)
Cylinder head gasket
A bit more accurate info would lead to a resonably acurate diagnosis.
Cheers
noz
Thanks for your very informative reply, noz...!
The "clatter" seems to be constant with engine speed, but as I said before, it is not unlike the familiar sound of a diesel engine. With that, I mean that you can identify each individual sound, hence the frequency is not possibly as fast as the engine rpm (this may be an obvious statement but I saw fit to clarify it). The car drives normally and the sound does not go past being a nuisance...
Have you ruled out hydraulics...?
Mauricio
The "clatter" seems to be constant with engine speed, but as I said before, it is not unlike the familiar sound of a diesel engine. With that, I mean that you can identify each individual sound, hence the frequency is not possibly as fast as the engine rpm (this may be an obvious statement but I saw fit to clarify it). The car drives normally and the sound does not go past being a nuisance...
Have you ruled out hydraulics...?
Mauricio
Mauricio
It is very hard for anyone to tell you what the problem is without some more info
We could all say it`s this that and the other
If you listen to the engine more closely see if you can tell if the clatter is around the top middle or bottom of the engine !!!!
You could always get a long pice of tube to put near the engine the other end to your ear to help you were it sounds the loudest were it coming from ???
Sounds like it could well be the hydraulic lifters or piston slap at worst the bottom end (big ends)
All these thing make that sort of sound like a diesel or more like running on steam
So if you could let us know a little more info it would be good
Get back soon ttfn
It is very hard for anyone to tell you what the problem is without some more info
We could all say it`s this that and the other
If you listen to the engine more closely see if you can tell if the clatter is around the top middle or bottom of the engine !!!!
You could always get a long pice of tube to put near the engine the other end to your ear to help you were it sounds the loudest were it coming from ???
Sounds like it could well be the hydraulic lifters or piston slap at worst the bottom end (big ends)
All these thing make that sort of sound like a diesel or more like running on steam
So if you could let us know a little more info it would be good
Get back soon ttfn
See new topic "Engine Clatter"
Wendham
Wendham
The main reason that most XMs in the scrappies are petrol is purly one of economics. One of the main reasons I buy diesels is running costs, if you do a lot of miles it makes a big difference, consequently, diesels sell for a lot more so people are more inclined to spend money on them to keep them on the road. They can also do big mileages, my previous 2.1td estate had covered 292k miles and as far as I know is still going.
Peter.N.
Peter.N.
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