14k Mile 1 Owner '90 Xm 2.0 Sei

http://www.barons-auctions.com/details.php...=lots/A1DGT.htm

That will be a nice addition to someone collection.

What do people think of its estimated guide price? Seems a tiny bit steep, ive no doubt Xms prices will go upwards as they become rarer and into classic car status, so maybe!

Classic status?? Much as I like XM's, the idea that the classic car world will ever accept them is, in my opinion, slightly far-fetched. If you think that's a fair price, I suggest you take a look at what a similar age and condition BMW 5-series would fetch. That is arguably the finest big saloon car of its time, but you wouldn't pay more than £1500 for a good low-mileage 520i, in fact I was given a very nice 520i not so long ago because te owner couldn't persuade anyone to buy it!

I don't believe the classic car movement will take any more notice of the XM than it does of the Renault 25 or Vauxhall Senator. The XM is a car for those of you who love them, and the rest of us who need them. I wouldn't have a hatch if you paid me, but I wouldn't part with my 2.5 estate because there is simply nothing to replace it. If I could buy a modern BIG estate car that did the job as well, I would, but it doesn't exist. £3500 for an 18-year-old 2 litre executive car that's had nowhere near enough use is just ridiculous.

...or is it just me?
Neil

I'll be very interested to see what it goes for.

I was in the same situation over a year ago, when I bought a 17k mile, 1990 2.0 Si

Baron's estimates are in fact the seller's estimate (just as the description is written by the vendor) & have no foundation in reality much of the time.

However, someone will buy this car for the number plate, A1 DGT, & you might be able to buy the car from them for a reasonable amount because chances are they won't want it.

Makes sense to me.... If that's a 2litre petrol auto ... It'd be bloody horrifically gutless to drive. I wouldn't drive it either ... That's why the milage is so low Who in there right mind would have purchased such a car new ?

seeya,
Shane L.

I dont think its a fair price. I agree with some of that, but a car is worth what someone is willing to pay, that maybe very little or over the top of what other people think its really worth. Depends how much someone wants a car. However, I would not pay that much for one.

Someone who wants one enough, probably to add to a collection, will pay more than most for an example like that.

An Xm is different, unlike the Renault 25 and Vauxhall you mention, which are pretty mundane.

Id rather pay £1500 for a good Xm than a 5 series though, great car but just not my thing at all. I guess i just like things which are different, our other Citroens prove that! A 5 series isn't, its an obvious choice but one i wouldnt make.

My Xm is a hobby car, its not a workhorse, just for the pure enjoyment of it.

I guess i have xm-tinted spectacles

someone who would have thought a smaller engine would be more economical, that was a good rule of thumb 20+ years ago and no doubt something the salesman would have pushed on, and maybe the original buyer did not want a fast ca.

to be honest, if you think the 2l petrol is gutless, you have not driven a 2ltr rover of the same year....

i went from a 2ltr montego to a 2ltr petrol xm and thought i had stepped up into the sports car world..........

The minimum £150 plus VAT buyers premium would put me off, a large proportion of what the car is worth. The seller has paid about £120 plus vat to enter it and at least £150 plus vat sellers premium. You can see who is making the money here.

John

Hi Neil.

Spot on !

Mike.

Hi All

I guess that anyone buying this car at that price automatically devalues it by making it a 2 owner car and halving its value. If they then compound this by using it and putting the mileage up it will devalue by a similar amount yet again.

John

I don't think the original owner had any choice in the matter...

I can't see the justification for the price estimate really although IF it was a real collector's
item like a s1 v6 24v'er it would warrant inclusion in a private or public Citroen collection
although a 2.0SEi doesn't quite match this in desirability.

On the other hand, IF it's the nearest someone can get to buying a near new Xm that
they've always set their heart on, could you blame them; what would £3.5k buy new!!?
There are far worse loads of rubbish that'd buy!

Will we ever know what it eventually sells for even?

Andrew

Sure. Baron's publishes their sales results 2 or 3 days after the sale when the dust has settled.

Because they often have silly, inflated estimates & reserves they have to speak to a lot of sellers after the auction has finished and present them with (realistic) offers from punters & then try to talk them into selling. A messy way of doing business & it takes a while to conclude any sales not done under the hammer.

If you're desperate to know call them tonight or in the a.m.

I reckon it'll sell quite well due to the plate. I also reckon the plate buyer won't want the car. Not many people are after underused XMs.

You're ight Neil, an A1 plate is probably worth a lot more than the car - if you're into that sort of thing!.

Derek

Hi all

I have to say i dont agree with the previous comments about the fact that the XM will never make classic status, The XM is showing all the signs of a fledgling classic, it was, at the time a radical design, incorperating the first hydractive system which was a massive turning point in citroens hydraulic history and it was penciled by the bertone style house, it was a comparative flop in terms of new sales and no matter who you are you have to admit a senator does not look different to much else on the road, and the xm certainly does.
If it wasnt for the xantia being produced in such great numbers and with so many of the XM's individual cosmetic feature's i am adament that the xm would already have classic status today had its design not been used in such a common car, effectivly losing the exclusivity of the design.
And we must not forget the XM has only been out of production for a little over 8 years.
So far as price goes most classic cars in the best of condition such as MG's and Lotus' will only sell for a few k, our fully restored 1930's Ford AA series lorry is only worth about 10k top's which is a lot of money but not when you think how rare it is and more importantly how much was spent on it to get it in the condition it is now, and it was more than 10k! so it just goes to show even a true vintage isnt worth the sum of its parts.
And what makes a car a classic?, its not like you get a letter in the post to say its become one, i think when people start buying a specific vehicle and maintaining it themselves when it is not economically viable to do so because they like the car in question (as most of us do here) then surely it has become a classic?!?!?!?!?!

D

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