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noz |
Posted: February 04, 2004 08:40 am
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Andre's Mate Group: Members Posts: 1673 Member No.: 12 Joined: November 22, 2003 |
XMore,
Sample pages for download here: http://www.hirford.freeserve.co.uk/citroen...nxm/5700001.pdf Having added more pages recently the manual is 1860 pages and growing. It does however only cover the series 2 cars from RP6383 onwards (May 1994). See XM_L on Yahoo and Andyspares for testimonials from satisfied recipients. I have never seen the true fatory manual for sale on ebay ! Cheers noz -------------------- '10 '59' C5 2.0 HDi Exclusive Tourer Metallic Grey
'97 'P' XM 2.5 TD VSX Saloon RP 6610 Blue '97 'R' XM 2.5 TD Exclusive Saloon RP 7158 Silver '88 CX 22TRS Croisette Location: Avonbridge - Stirlingshire - Central Scotland |
Big-Green Balls xm |
Posted: November 26, 2004 07:08 pm
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Member No.: 90 Joined: November 23, 2004 |
Hi Noz
Just would like to know what your cd contains ??? Will it cover petrol & deisel engine in full ??? Has it got all wireing diagrams for everything all cars ??? How to pay if I wanted one ?? -------------------- XM 2.1 turbo Diesel
Zantia 2.0 Bx 19 Diesels Landrover Diesels |
noz |
Posted: November 26, 2004 09:06 pm
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Andre's Mate Group: Members Posts: 1673 Member No.: 12 Joined: November 22, 2003 |
BGB,
Yes it contains all engines for the series 2 models only. Do you know your engine code? What model and engine size do you have and I'll tell you if it's covered. It has about 800 pages of wiring diagrams. Again, if you tell me your model and engine I'll tell you if its covered. If you're interested, send me a PM. Cheque Paypal or cash acceptable. Cheers Norrie -------------------- '10 '59' C5 2.0 HDi Exclusive Tourer Metallic Grey
'97 'P' XM 2.5 TD VSX Saloon RP 6610 Blue '97 'R' XM 2.5 TD Exclusive Saloon RP 7158 Silver '88 CX 22TRS Croisette Location: Avonbridge - Stirlingshire - Central Scotland |
Ilapaci |
Posted: December 10, 2004 12:16 am
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Member No.: 91 Joined: November 24, 2004 |
Only to remember you that the service manuals are copyright covered and are avalaible at any Citroën dealer...
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mebedforduk |
Posted: December 10, 2004 08:34 am
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 143 Member No.: 52 Joined: April 20, 2004 |
"and are avalaible at any Citroën dealer"
Not in the UK where they even try and deny the XM was anything to do with them. Ask about XMs in a main dealers here, First is a blank look, then, Was that one of ours?, then Do you want to buy a C5? This is how I view it:- Norrie's disks are only ahem "samples" of the standard of files that he is able to produce. As they are only samples you should really return them to him, or destroy them. Of course you can always keep a copy at your own risk Mark -------------------- 1995 2.1 VSX AC Leather dead and now beer cans
1995 2.5 Excl 195K sold sc100 whizzkid bag of shite A6 180bhp avant |
noz |
Posted: December 10, 2004 08:49 am
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Andre's Mate Group: Members Posts: 1673 Member No.: 12 Joined: November 22, 2003 |
No argument about copyright but have you ever tried to purchase a copy of this manual? I did. I tried for 3 months and failed to find even a part number.
As for 'asking your local Citroen Agent', first of all you need to find one with the manual. I know a couple of agents who have already put them in the bin. Citroen agents do not want to work on XM's. They regard the time allowed for each job to be very low so they lose money every time they work on an XM. Next, if you find an agent with a manual, you have to persuade them to let you see it, never mind borrow it. I know all this from personal experience. When I first got my XM I had quite a few problems with it and tried to buy a manual from all sorts of places without success. Citroen are not going to be concerned about the copying of information which allows other people to repair XM's. The more people repair them the less likely you are to go to a Citroen agent who don't want to know about your XM anyway. As I said in my very first post, if you feel very strongly about the copyright issue then feel free to pay your Citroen agent the value of a small mortgage to maintain your XM. It's no skin off my nose. Cheers noz This post has been edited by noz on December 10, 2004 08:55 am -------------------- '10 '59' C5 2.0 HDi Exclusive Tourer Metallic Grey
'97 'P' XM 2.5 TD VSX Saloon RP 6610 Blue '97 'R' XM 2.5 TD Exclusive Saloon RP 7158 Silver '88 CX 22TRS Croisette Location: Avonbridge - Stirlingshire - Central Scotland |
gernot |
Posted: December 13, 2004 10:43 pm
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 1 Member No.: 106 Joined: December 13, 2004 |
noz,
could you (or somebody else) point me to an address to order the manual CD? I may be a bit thick, but I could not find any link. I've got a '96 V6 with a leaking DIRAVI which needs replacement. I am quite experienced, but this procedure is a bit beyond me and I should very much appreciate Citroën tutelage. best wishes g |
LHMblooded |
Posted: December 14, 2004 12:22 am
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 2 Member No.: 104 Joined: December 12, 2004 |
hmmm....
I would say that it is not a crime if someone collects / downloads material that is found on the web. but to sell such databases, carries of course some risk to the seller, which is not to disregard the obvious value of such materials for the Citroen enthusiast, especially in a country like the UK, when the Dealer's support for this model seems to be verging on the ridicolous. (incidentally it has translated into the resale prices of XMs beng ALSO ridicolous over there...) For Citroen themselves, actually PSA, it might be rather doubtful as to whether they indeed appreciate the enthusiasts' effort to keep a particular model alive - on first sight, it seems that PSA should have image/brand value benefits from such enthusiast activity - but on closer thought, maybe they just DON'T want an image to be developed that the Citroens are very "enthusiast cars", or "very DIY cars", or cars that require frequent reading of manuals and DIY mechanics skills in order to run them... they might just as well WANT to run away from such mixed marketing blessings - it is not so simple as "we" tend to think... so there might be some very good reasons that Citroen would maybe (this is just an assumption) appreciate more if the XM was NOT SO BELOVED by people like us - because the obvious image benefits of it are a double-edged sword when you look at it from a distance. So I would not rush to accuse anyone who is helping others to get such databases, but, then again, I would not find it acceptable as well that someone offers commercially such materials on a public forum like this one. It is a tricky topic, not unlike discussing about the thin line between erotica and pornography... cheers Alexandar -------------------- der weg ist das ziel...
S2 2.1 Td VSX amiral bleu manual hatch 1998 BX 16v Mk2 1995 vert triton BX 16v racecar 205 GTI 1.9 vert sorrento trabant tramp export 1987 |
Bigmixer |
Posted: January 19, 2005 09:51 pm
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Active Member Group: Members Posts: 42 Member No.: 109 Joined: December 18, 2004 |
I've just got a copy of the manual on cd from noz. If you are thinkimg about ordering one - it is exactly as described and well worth having if you do any work to your XM. Even if you don't, few mechanics are completely familiar with them.
Many thanks Bigmixer |
Ilapaci |
Posted: January 25, 2005 12:57 pm
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Don't worry, here in Italy it's the same story. "what kind of car? An Xm? Which problem? Oh, we can do nothing: we have'nt time/parts/intrest to rapair your car." What to do? Call Citroën customer service "Sorry. Please, come back, we can solve your troubles" Happened two day ago for my car: a motor-oil leak from a head cover. Bye Ila |
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Ilapaci |
Posted: January 25, 2005 12:58 pm
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Member No.: 91 Joined: November 24, 2004 |
p.s.: when you can, the D.I.Y. is the better way.
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